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Topic Started: Nov 20 2017, 11:52 PM (890 Views)
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Any American who has passed through elementary school has certainly heard of the city of the Greek Empire, of the Roman Empire, of feudalism, of the French Revolution, of the World Wars; of names like Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, but probably has never heard (or has, but hardly) of the city-states of Yoruba, or of people like the Haussa, Bakongo, Xhosa, and Sawahíli. And Queen Nzinga, Mussa-Keita, Sundjata, Tchaka and Ngungunhane, Amilcar Cabral, Patrice Lumumba, Julius Nyerere or Samora Machel.

What's the reason for this nonsense? Westernisation?
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I imagine it's white bias. It's not westernisation since most people know of the Mongols, the Chinese, the Koreans and the Japanese. Also I'd say that Aztec, Inca and Mayan history are fairly well recognised too.


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I imagine it's white bias. It's not westernisation since most people know of the Mongols, the Chinese, the Koreans and the Japanese. Also I'd say that Aztec, Inca and Mayan history are fairly well recognised too.
Yeah, but one thing is to have heard about Japan, China, Korea... the other thing is to study them, like we have concerning western countries, like Greece, France and so...
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Westernization refers to making 'non western' cultures, such as Iranian, Chinese, Sioux, etc., Western, that is to say generally Western European.

That said, the reason the west generally isn't taught this is because a lot of western education has the west at the center of the world, rarely talking about outside history, it's only relatively recently that the west had begun to move towards a more global look at history. Colonialism also has a large part to play in this as well... A large part of colonial philosophy assumed there was nothing of worth to learn in other cultures (obviously false but it's an attitude that doesn't want to go away).

It's something we're correcting a bit now, but it still interferes with having a more complete education about the world.
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I wish I could have learned African history at school. We didn't even cover the Boer War or the Zulus and that involved the British.


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Westernisation of the education, then?
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Westernisation of the education, then?
I would argue education more began there than changed, in fact I would say that we are gradually changing to a more global focus in our education regarding world history. It's just gonna be a very long process to fix all that.
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Maybe it's indeed some sort of white bias, considering we also seldom do study about countries like Cuba, which are located in the West. Dunno.
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Don't we tend to focus really heavily on our own nation's histories way more than global history? I mean s***, I spent most history lessons at school learning everything from William the Conqueror onwards. Having said that, my school was fairly good at broadening the spectrum. We got to learn about North American history too including lots about the natives. My teacher had a map on the wall of all the tribes that existed before Europeans settled there.


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Eh, I wouldn't say it's Westernisation of any sort really.

There are a ridiculous amount of cultures, events etc etc throughout history, it'd be impossible to teach people about all of them unless you literally spent like two minutes a lesson on each thing.
Makes more sense to cover major and/or close to home events.

I'm more interested in what my country was doing in WW2 vs what some rando in Madagascar did 400 years ago that has no real relevance to history here.


Speaking for school here people get 9-12 years of education typically, the first 3 are when you're too young to really pay much attention and the rest are divided up in to the many multitudes of other subjects out there. Not really enough time for all that history.
There's not even enough time to teach kids basic life skills like how to do taxes, how not end up in debt or what rights they have apparently...
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Any American who has passed through elementary school has certainly heard of the city of the Greek Empire, of the Roman Empire, of feudalism, of the French Revolution, of the World Wars; of names like Hitler, Stalin, Napoleon, but probably has never heard (or has, but hardly) of the city-states of Yoruba, or of people like the Haussa, Bakongo, Xhosa, and Sawahíli. And Queen Nzinga, Mussa-Keita, Sundjata, Tchaka and Ngungunhane, Amilcar Cabral, Patrice Lumumba, Julius Nyerere or Samora Machel.

What's the reason for this nonsense? Westernisation?
I mean honestly, can you say in elementary school you learned about the smaller battles in the US that define how modern US is shaped? About the Chinese immigrants who made up the majority of the building of the US working for the Central Pacific Railroad? Or for instance, any of our exchanges with the French and the Mexicans?
Probably not. On the global scale, they aren't as important as the aforementioned historical events.

Just because we didn't learn it in our primary education, doesn't mean it's not important. Likewise, your implied ethnocentrism falls on deaf ears here. It's far from nonsense. Certainly not Westernization, which is incorrect usage of the term. Chalk it up to institutionalized History.
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You usually learn history that is related to, or closely related to, your own country, so it makes sense for Western countries to learn the history of the West and not the East. I imagine that's going to change somewhat in the coming years with nations becoming much more culturally diverse, which is a good thing because of the wealth of history the world has to offer.
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Aren’t we taught about an introduction to the history of western civilization in elementary school and high school? Therefore it’s not white bias it’s common sense that we aren’t taught about the leaders of the Far East.

I’m assuming everyone who spoke in this topic is from either North America or the UK though
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